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A fellow I knew some years ago was, and presumably still is, fond of saying, "When we're rich and famous..." I'd often reply that I would settle for rich and not famous as it would be less hassle. I can't confirm the rich part, much as I might like to, but having seen what [livejournal.com profile] jmaynard initially went through and some of the lingering nonsense, I think I can confirm that relative obscurity is less hassle than relative fame.

The City Pages article was the first time I'd been mentioned along with Jay in regard to the Tron Guy stuff. As Orvan was revealed (I simply replied truthfully when asked if I had any costumes beyond renfaire attire as it's just easier that way) and then it hit Fark, I was bracing for a flood of st00p1d in my journals and e-mail. If not from Fark directly, then indirectly as it filtered through the net. It didn't happen.

Oh, it filtered through the net alright. Links to that article show up in several places. But most seem to just be links to the Fark entry, and the others have little if any comment. I have a couple examples. A link to the article was posted on a site called Snarkfest. In a thread with Julia Child being revealed as spy for the Allies in WWII, modern science bringing invisibility cloaks grudgingly into reality, a couple people in costumes just aren't very interesting. Another site, vivisector, that claims to be a sort of anthropological study of furry in all aspects, good and bad, also had someone point out the City Pages article. That person is either more furry-aware (understandable given the site) or did the truly basic level of internet research needed to find a couple images of Orvan and Orvan's journal. And... that thread is empty save for the initial post. And it's been bumped down as a particular web site experienced another outage and that's more interesting.

I am not displeased by the lack of attention. While I believe there are plenty of jerks around, it's nice to not have to deal with them. It amuses me to see a couple potential pot-stirrers get no followup. Evidently Jay's schoolyard classification is about right as the other sites seem a bit more mature and nothing much happens. Why should anything? As [livejournal.com profile] malterre said about an earlier post, "I see stranger shit taking public transportation."

And then there is also the benefit of the doubt. I don't like to believe that most people are idiots. That doesn't mean I can't be convinced that someone really is an idiot, however. Reading though the Fark comments, I found myself wondering how many of the people posting stupid things really believed the stupid things they were posting. Were they that stupid or gullible, or were they trolling each other, or was it all one big in-joke that anyone looking in might mistake for real rather than fake idiocy? Faking idiocy seems to be one of those things that's only amusing to the one doing it, so when it isn't amusing it just seems stupid, or at best ignorant.

The misspelling of Orvan's name in the City Pages article reveals something interesting as well. If I do searches using the correct spelling, I get the ACME Delivery site, Orvan's journal, and mentions of him by other folks in a generally positive way. But if I do a search for the misspelling I get the City Pages article, the Fark entry, and various folks linking to one or the other, often with a "more than you wanted to know" comment that seems to asking for OMGWTFICBM responses. The difference seems to be a simple enough one. The folks using the correct spelling have met or seen Orvan at conventions and found him friendly or amusing or at least mostly harmless, while those using or copying the misspelling have only seen the short mention in one article - and then either jump to conclusions or hope for others to do so. In way, though probably not the one intended, it manages to be a bit amusing.

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One thing going around LJ is to list the various famous people one has met. I read a few of these listings and recognized some folks on them, and completely failed to recognize some others. How is fame defined for this? Someone I might consider notable may be notable not to everyone but only to a certain group. This is plain as many of the listing have an explanation of who each famed person is which indicate that they are not universally known. I mentioned this to a guy at work and replied that his brother-in-law has a 'dead pool' with the requirement that someone in it must have made national headlines at least once. I'm not about to use that definition.

For a moment I figured I hadn't met anyone famous and then re-thought it. I may not have met universally known celebrities, but that doesn't bother me. In no particular order:

I've met, ever so briefly, science fiction author David Gerrold. But chances are unless you read a fair of science fiction I needed to say who he was or you'd be thinking, "Who?" right now. Maybe you are anyway.

I've met open-source advocate Eric S. Raymond.

I live with [livejournal.com profile] jmaynard, someone who has been on national TV several times now and is well-known as "Tron guy" across the web. But I've met people who are often on-line who hadn't heard of any of the goings on. It took months before anyone locally knew - unless I told them myself.

I've dined and been to faire with [livejournal.com profile] irpooh who was in a Clint Eastwood movie - but isn't a nationally known movie actress.

I've never met animator Tom Minton, but I've had a few IM conversations with him.

I've exchanged e-mails with a few folks involved in comic book production (writers, pencillers, inkers, letterers, and an editor, I don't recall any exchange with a colorist).

I've met [livejournal.com profile] kinkyturtle who is rather well known for his cartoon diaries in some circles. I've had brunch with (that is, sitting right next to at the same table) [livejournal.com profile] unclekage, Dr. Samuel Conway. At that same table was Buckles creator David Gilbert. Also, I've talked with Bill Holbrook who creates Kevin and Kell as well as a couple newspaper comic strips. Not at that table, but at the same event was [livejournal.com profile] the_gneech who is the person behind The Suburban Jungle.

I know several folks involved with Renaissance Faires, some are performers, others are faire organizers. Some of these folks are: [livejournal.com profile] aedifica, [livejournal.com profile] foolscap001, [livejournal.com profile] ginafae, [livejournal.com profile] irpooh, [livejournal.com profile] jmthane, [livejournal.com profile] malterre though we've never actually met, [livejournal.com profile] melissasutton, [livejournal.com profile] mnfiddledragon, [livejournal.com profile] rillaspins, and [livejournal.com profile] wendyzski.

And I've probably forgotten a few people.

ADDENDUM: Yes, I did miss someone. I met animator Jon McClenahan. Heck, I hosted the small gathering at which he appeared for a handful of Animaniacs fans. How'd I forget that?!

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