Do you remember 6+ years ago?

[vakkotaur]

Due to my schedule, I was completely unaware of recent events due to sleeping right through them. A quick skiming of my LJ friends list revealed something was amiss. A bit more searching and more detail came out. If you're wondering where the voice(s) on "the right" saying this was a bad thing are, a few are right here.

I've seen some folks going on about Sharon Angle's line about "second amendment remedies" which was, "I hope that's not where we're going, but you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies. They're saying: My goodness, what can we do to turn this country around?" Note the first part, "I hope this is not where we're going..." and then the conditional, "..if this keeps on going the way it is..." It's clear, except to those who do not wish to see, that whatever else might have been problematic with Angle, she was calling for peaceful change as a means of preventing a violent change. Gee, where I have heard that before? Ah, yes, John F. Kennedy said it, "Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable." On a Tuesday in November, a peaceful change occurred.

This is not a case of revolution, however. It is a case of crazy. Crazy knows no specific political affiliation. One side or another might try to paint the crazy into being something for or of an opposition, but the crazy is still just crazy, no matter the paint job. Was the shooter on the right? Some would like to believe that - and more importantly, like others to believe that. Was he on the left? Some would like to believe that - and more importantly, like others to believe that.

The curious thing that has seemingly been forgotten, or is perhaps a thing some hope people forget, was that 4 to 6 years ago and earlier there were a number (admittedly a small number, thankfully) of folks who were agitating for (or at least tweaking folks about) what could be called "second amendment remedies" to the then-current administration. Where are these people now? They were wrong then, and this crazy is (or, these crazies are) wrong now.

Comments

[nefaria.livejournal.com]

Sadly, I think crazy people with guns will be a permanent fixture of American society, since "crazy" is such a subjective term. Some influential groups think half the U.S. population is crazy or irrational, so any law attempting to restrict gun access to the "crazy" people would cast too wide of a net.

[vakkotaur.livejournal.com]

The only restrictions that make any real sense are to keep arms out of the hands of children, criminals, and the (properly diagnosed) mentally ill. As horrific as these sort of events are, they are the lesser horror when compared to the police states that seem to inevitable follow the disarming of the populace.

[nefaria.livejournal.com]

I agree. As many say, the Second Amendment won't be needed until they try to repeal it.

[doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com]

Equating a lone handful of outraged bloggers with people who have had national forums for their outrageous political views for years is the actions of a coward, a fool, or a sympathizer. No exceptions.

[jmaynard.livejournal.com]

Blaming a few political candidates you disagree with for the act of a deranged idiot - and one who, from all appearances, is in the end of the spectrum opposite from the one you're blaming, to boot - is the act of an imbecile or an intellectual liar. No exception.

To be perfectly clear: I do not condone the violence that happened in Tucson yesterday. The shooter, upon conviction, needs to be strung up. I'd pull the handle on the trap door myself.

The real problem is that the Left raised the temperature of political discourse in this country to new heights from 2000 to 2009, and now that it's coming back to haunt us all, they're crying. Ever hear of "reap what you sow"? But then, given the rampant hypocrisy of the Left in general, the screaming in this case surprises me not even a little bit.

[doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com]

You are so full of shit on this, your eyes are brown. It was never the left that called for "2nd amendment solutions" or painted bullseyes on their political opponents this past decade. And continual denial of this shows that you are one of the sympathizers more than the fools or idiots.

So like I said on my own post, you fail. SPECTACULARLY.

[jmaynard.livejournal.com]

You are so full of shit on this, your eyes are brown.
Hardly, but then I expected nothing more from a left-wing ideologue than infantile name-calling.

It was never the left that called for "2nd amendment solutions"
Out of context much? Sharron Angle did not "call for Second Amendment solutions". Here's the full quote: “Our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason, and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government,” Angle told conservative talk show host Lars Larson in January. “In fact, Thomas Jefferson said it’s good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years. I hope that’s not where we’re going, but you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies.”

Read it again. "I hope that's not where we're going." That's the opposite of calling for it.

or painted bullseyes on their political opponents this past decade.
You mean like the ones on this map the Democrats put out, targeting Republicans?

And continual denial of this shows that you are one of the sympathizers more than the fools or idiots.
I guess you didn't read the sentence I wrote saying that I do not condone the attack in the slightest, and that I think the attacker deserves the death penalty. Were you too angry, or were you being deliberately obtuse?

So like I said on my own post, you fail. SPECTACULARLY.
The only fail here is the hard left trying to make political hay out of the acts of a lone madman. Of course, this is only an acceptable thing to do when the Left can profit from it. When, say, an Islamofascist does it, they're the first to scream about politicizing tragedy.

But then, the Left never cared about their own glaring hypocrisy, anyway.

[nefaria.livejournal.com]

The left is more shrewd about solving their problems. Instead of assassination, which is counter-productive, they pass laws that violate the rights of their enemies, so the entire nation is forced into obedience. And they then create a loophole in the law so their constituents aren't bound by it, like the union exemptions for Obamacare.

[nefaria.livejournal.com]

Wow, they're starting the legislation rodeo already: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html

"He will introduce a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to use language or symbols that could be seen as threatening or violent against a federal official, including a member of Congress." So a disgusted voter who tells his representative "I wanna kick your ass!" will get a felony conviction and do hard time in Federal prison, even if he doesn't own a gun.

[jmaynard.livejournal.com]

The First Amendment obviously only covers speech that the Left agrees with.